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Love the sinner, hate the sin: Films I like or love despite finding them morally or ideologically objectionable.

Posted: 01/09/2013 2:16 pm

Let's pretend for a moment that Zero Dark Thirty does in fact do all of the things that its critics, many of whom have not even seen the film, are claiming.  Let's pretend that it endorses torture on a practical and/or moral level.  Let's pretend that it implies/states that information gleaned from torture was essential in catching Osama Bin Laden and would not have been discovered any other way.  Does that (incorrect, I'd argue) interpretation automatically negate its worth as quality film making?  There has been much discussion of the alleged morality of Bigelow and Boal's superb procedural, much of it penned by those who believe that either it is 'pro-torture' or at least will be interpreted as much by general moviegoers (a classic case of 'I'm smart enough to understand but they aren't').  The question for those critics becomes whether its alleged sins negates its worth and/or can be separated from its qualities as a film.  But quite frankly, it's more than possible to enjoy a film while disagreeing with its opinions or moral worldview.  In fact, this whole thing started with David Edelstein picking the film as his favorite of 2012 while also calling it morally reprehensible.With that in mind, without endorsing any of the somewhat simplistic ( in my opinion wrongheaded) views of Zero Dark Thirty, I thought this would be a good time to discuss a few films that I happen to like and/or love despite being vehemently opposed to their respective ideologies. Spoilers ahoy!



The Devil's Advocate (1997):
Yes, the core arc is that of Keanu Reeves as a hotshot litigator coming undone due to his deadly sin of pride.  But from start to finish, the film has a rather disturbing view of the criminal justice system, one that basically states that certain kind of people who are accused of certain kind of crimes don't deserve a robust defense.  We are supposed to be disturbed when Kevin viciously tears into the complaining witness in a child molestation case (Heather Matarazzo), without noticing that the only reason she falls apart on the stand is because she lies to pretty much every question he asks her.  We are supposed to be bemused when Kevin defends the rights of an animal sacrifice-er (Delroy Lindo) on First Amendment grounds without noticing that, yeah, that's kind of how 'freedom of religion' sometimes works.  And we are supposed to be saddened when Kevin makes the choice to put an alibi witness on the stand who is *probably* lying without noticing that A) he doesn't know for sure and B) any decent prosecutor would have asked the same question that caused him to doubt her in the first place. Yet despite its anti-due process message, the Taylor Hackford film is absolutely terrific fun, with terrific performances by Al Pacino (low-key as the Devil until the very end) and Keanu Reeves (in a rare overacting turn), plus a star-making supporting turn by Charlize Theron.  It's a rare example of big-budget supernatural horror for adults with all the fixings that go with that.   It's morally indefensible ("some people don't deserve a robust criminal defense") but it's also one of the most enjoyable big-scale supernatural thrillers of the late 1990s.

The 6th Day (2000): This Arnold Schwarzenegger cloning adventure is actually pretty good save for Arnold's terrible performance  Something we have learned is that Arnie can only act with uber-strong direction, be it from Ivan Reitman, James Cameron, or one-offs like Paul Verhoeven and Andrew Davis.  But the film is a relatively satisfying, mostly low-key (for once, taking an R-rated film into PG-13 territory almost makes sense) action thriller.  Like most films about cloning, the film comes out pretty harshly against it.  I can't say I'm a big fan of human cloning either, but the film equates cloning with the very worst kind of science and corruption.  Again, no great shakes there, but it also somewhat champions those who would murder those responsible for human cloning.  The film kicks off with a massacre aboard a helicopter, committed by a ragtag group of would-be freedom fighters who are rebelling against the cloning industries.  Those would-be terrorists eventually murder a clone of Arnold's best friend before themselves being slaughtered by the evil Tony Goldwyn's henchmen in a scene meant to inspire token sympathy for the newly dead.  It's not a tough leap to say that Roger Spottiswade's sci-fi parable basically condones the murder of those who would do science that certain groups (be they religiously-motivated or otherwise) don't approve of.  The 6th Day manages to be an entertaining and mostly intelligent sci-fi cautionary tale even with a subtext that's arguably pro-abortion doctor homicide.           
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) and Surrogates (2009): Both films are basically science-fiction fables centered around the classic "What if everything was as it was in our world except for one key difference?".  In the case of Surrogates, it's the scientific ability to basically have robotic versions of yourselves live your life for you (you can sit at home and control your surrogate while they live your life for you).  With Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, it's the idea of being able to erase bad memories as a way to discard unpleasant moments in your life.  And both films basically come to the oddly authoritarian notion that we, as consenting and informed adults, should not have the right to said technologies.  In Surrogates, Bruce Willis makes a climactic decision to shut down the entire grid that powers the machines, thus forcing humanity to live its own existence again.  In Eternal Sunshine, an employee of the memory-wiping service lashes out at her boss (who had an affair with her but then erased her memory) by mailing the forgotten memories (recorded on tapes, natch) to every single person who has chosen to use the service.  At the very least, one can at least admit the horrifying psychological damage brought about by such an action (consider the countless paying customers who chose to have truly horrific memories expunged), what right does she have to negate the choice of those who made the fully-informed choice to have their memories altered?  One can argue about whether humanity would benefit from such technologies, but both films (and many others like them) end by arguing that adults, rational adults, shouldn't be allowed to have certain *things* even if they are fully aware of the consequences and aware of the issues being raised.  
The Island (2005):  This was Michael Bay's second attempt at being taken seriously, after the overblown and undercooked Pearl Harbor.  Despite a second action-packed half that isn't as compelling as the character/plot-driven first half, it remains a smart piece of big-scale sci-fi.  But the film also is, like most Michael Bay films, rather conservative in its politics. Bad Boys 2 is a giant ode to American exceptionalism (Americans are using drugs, so it's okay to wreck Cuba) and the post-9/11 stomping on civil liberties, while the whole Transformers trilogy is a pro-incursion parable for American's invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.  Seriously, Revenge of the Fallen is "Here's why we can't leave the Middle East" while Dark of the Moon is "Hey, we left and look what happened!".  But The Island is the most explicit in its morality, with a final act which makes a bald-faced comparison between abortion (or, perhaps more  and the Holocaust.  In its final scenes, we see clones, people born purely to be spare parts for other rich people, being herded up into what are basically gas chambers to be exterminated.  The film of course also plays on the idea of the more generalized persecuted 'other' (witness lead henchman Djimon Hounsou switching sides after relaying a story of being persecuted in childhood), but the lasting imagery is one of 'aborted people' being sent to their deaths under the idea that they aren't 'real people'.  Obviously, as someone who is pro-choice, I'd have to take issue with the film's politics.  But that doesn't mean I don't think it's a pretty solid thriller.
The Dark Knight (2008) and The Dark Knight Rises (2012): No, I don't think the film is some kind of post-9/11 "war on terror' apologeta.  I debunked said theory in quite a bit of detail HERE.  And no, I don't think The Dark Knight Rises is a fascist epic about how the 99%ers are secretly a bunch of insane terrorists who want to conduct a 'reign of terror' while secretly plotting doomsday (nor do I actually enjoy the movie all that much, but I digress).  I discussed that a little bit HERE.  But I have always taken issue with the very last scene of The Dark Knight.  While it works thematically and is arguably set up in prior scenes, the concept that a comforting lie is necessary to 'save Gotham' is frankly abhorrent.  In short, the idea that the populace needs comforting falsehoods is the kind of thing that got us into Iraq in the first place ("Why sure, the evil Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 and we're gonna get him!").  This is to say nothing about the hero myths built around Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman  and how they helped foster the public's acceptance of an immoral military adventure (ironically, the brutal and discomforting final act of Zero Dark Thirty does much to demystify the execution of Osama Bin Laden).

At the end of The Dark Knight, we are apparently told that the only way to defeat The Joker is to hold up Harvey Dent as a hero while letting Batman brand himself as a villain.  Had the franchise ended there, we would have at least been in a position to debate the morality of Batman's climactic choice, since Nolan's film doesn't actually offer an opinion on it.  But wait, you say?  The Dark Knight Rises deals with the aftershocks of the film's finale, right? Not quite.  While Chris Nolan stated that The Dark Knight Rises would deal with the side effects of telling a big lie (and presumably getting caught), that in itself was a falsehood. The fact that eight years of peace and relative prosperity was built on a myth is ultimately irrelevant to overreaching plot.  The idea that the 'Dent Act' was built on a lie is immaterial since the Dent Act (those convicted of organized crimes would serve out their entire sentences) isn't exactly a breach of civil liberties in the first place.  The idea that Batman took the blame for Harvey Dent's murders partially to scare criminals again is negated by the fact that he retired after that fateful night.

The idea that Gotham would come undone once the truth came out is frankly nonexistent as the only scene dealing with this is a single heated conversation between Jim Gordon and John Blake, which is in turn irrelevant to the overall story (and why is he so angry with Gordon when he knows for the entire film that Bruce Wayne told the same lie?).  Taken as a whole, the only thing that came from Batman and Jim Gordon telling a big lie is eight years of relative safety and peace for the beleaguered Gotham City.  Said peace is not halted because of 'the big lie', but merely due to the outside machinations of an obsessive terrorist (Bane) doing the bidding of Talia Al Ghul in an eight-year long revenge scheme for the death of her father.  Thus, minus any other context or negative consequences, one must presume that Batman did the right thing in taking the fall for Harvey Dent.  Thus the films, if only by accident brought on by sloppy writing in the third film, end up basically endorsing the idea that it's okay for authority figures to lie to the populace in order to make them feel better and/or cover up uncomfortable truths.

I guess I could include the Twilight Saga, except I'm not entirely sure how much the films actually endorse Bella Swan's worldview (essay). Anyway, that's a wrap for this particular pontification.  Your turn, folks.  What films do you enjoy even while disagreeing with them on a moral or ideological level?  To my conservative readers, what bits of liberal propoganda still work for your as motion pictures?  To my liberal readers, what conservative-leaning films (like, um, Ghostbusters) still work for you?  Sound off below.

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Ali Nazifpour
03:00 PM on 01/10/2013
An obvious one is "Birth of a Nation"- an unquestionable masterpiece which actually invented half of the cinema but it's disturbingly racist (KKK are the heroes of the film).

All the great religious films- especially "Brother Sun Sister Moon", I love despite my radical atheism.
botazefa
Sounds like Bodhisattva
02:27 PM on 01/10/2013
I think you got Dark Knight wrong. It is a reflection of the duplicity of the war on terror and the price we may ultimately have to pay.
12:43 PM on 01/10/2013
Could HuffPo arrange for Mr. Mendelson to partake in a round-table discussion about the position "Zero Dark Thirty" does or does not take on torture?

Mr. Mendelson makes clear in this piece that he does not believe the movie "endorses torture on a practical and/or moral level," or "that it implies/states that information gleaned from torture was essential in catching Osama Bin Laden and would not have been discovered any other way."

Two other HuffPo contributors disagree.

From Karen J. Greenberg: "Zero Dark Thirty accepts without hesitation or question the importance of this unconstitutional detention policy as crucial to the torture program."

From Dan Froomkin: "You cannot take this movie at its word and conclude anything other than that torture was an essential step toward tracking bin Laden down. Which it wasn't."

I would love for HuffPo to assemble these three (and maybe others) together and have them discuss their differences.
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Film Shark
I love cinema.
05:47 AM on 01/10/2013
'Scarface' with Al Pacino directed by Brian De Palma and the brilliant screenplay by Oliver Stone. I don't condone doing mounds of cocaine but I can watch this film over and over again. It has some of the most memorable lines in cinematic history.
03:58 AM on 01/10/2013
"A Personal Maid's Secret" was on TCM this morning and though it was probably a harmless trifle in its time, it's a rather onerous one now. Apart from the little boy constantly nagging his mother to buy them a "colored" servant (the adults found him delightful), the overarching moral of the story was that people should know their station in life and hew to it. You see, the (white) maid had a child by the son of her former employers. Widowed in the war, the maid gave the baby to its paternal grandparents to adopt so the child could be raised as her dead father's heritage would dictate. When the young woman found out her bio mom was a maid, she wanted to reveal the truth, but the maid advised her to keep their secret, lest the fact prove embarassing and cause people to consider the girl unworthy. All of this baggage attached to what was, on the surface, a frothy comedy of manners. And of course, Arthur Treacher played a butler.
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funpete
NPR brain in a FOXNEWS world...
02:34 AM on 01/10/2013
Non of these movies discussed present themselves as HISTORY.

btw - you really liked those movies?
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twowrongs
Now you say crony capitalism like its a bad thing
01:00 AM on 01/10/2013
A Clockwork Orange. I could watch it a million times and admire Kubrick's use of light - AMAZING! But I can't watch it more than once because I cannot stand to watch the violence.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
08:03 PM on 01/09/2013
I read that practically every slasher movie has a reactionary undertone. We may remember from "Scream" that sex, drugs, etc are forbidden in horror movies if you want to survive them, implying that everything from the '60s was a bad idea. Let's also not forget "Planet of the Apes": the dark-skinned apes look really menacing and don't talk coherently.
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RTheriault
micro-bio is micro
07:19 PM on 01/09/2013
I am really too busy downloading porn to watch movies.
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MikeDu
Both salubrious and lugubrious concurrently.
06:46 PM on 01/09/2013
I recall back when the musical "Chicago" came out being absolutely repelled by its moral worldview. There wasn't a single person in that film who I thought was worth a damn. What frightens me is a lot of people seem to *miss the point* of these films. The fact that the characters are reprehensible sociopaths goes right over their heads. Someone with an ounce of sense would have seen "Starship Troopers" as a brutal lampoon of hypermacho fascistic war films. Instead, the Pentagon repeatedly aired the film film for the troops in the run-up to the Iraq war to get them in the right frame of mind.
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cdub1991
Seek first to understand, then to be understood
07:43 AM on 01/10/2013
The human ability to filter out the parts of a message they don't want to hear is both amazing and, unfortunately, ubiquitous. It takes a lot of living and learning to get to the point where one can embrace ambiguity and reconcile conflicting truths. Easier to just toss the facts and ideas that are inconsistent with one's chosen paradigm.
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
04:23 PM on 01/09/2013
Way to completely miss the point. The issue isn't that the film is morally objectionable; it is that is it an inaccurate retelling of a historical event where morally objectionable conduct is glorified.
If they wanted to make a film or show that was simply pro-torture (which many are, Ever see '24'??)), there would not have been a huge outcry. And if they wanted to make a film about torture (that actually) happened and was helpful in some way, it also wouldn't be a big deal.
But when you inaccurately assert that torture was a useful tool in the finding of Bin Laden, when it seems clear that that is not the case, that's when people get riled up.
07:32 PM on 01/09/2013
hmmm true that. good point.

AND, I would like to throw out the fact that the idea of changing up historical facts in order to fit a director's artistic vision.... in general .... i dig it!

Death to Videodrome!
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07:46 PM on 01/09/2013
"But when you inaccurately assert that torture was a useful tool in the finding of Bin Laden, when it seems clear that that is not the case, that's when people get riled up."

Who really knows at this point?
Certainly not us.
It's reported both ways by the media and the government.
Did the CIA give disinformation to the filmmakers to give cover for the torture activities or did they really glean useful information?
We will probably never know for sure.
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01:46 AM on 01/10/2013
Yes, we do know that torture is unreliable. And if you look passed the smokescreen of media and self-serving Neo-Con shinola you will see the report of the FBI lead interrogator who used no torture to get the vital info we needed. He was taken off the case and it was handed over to CIA contractors who began to torture. When we started using torture the detainees clamed up and stopped talking.